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ALR wrote:Keep score and antagonise ?

Did I say “not ON THIS PIECE OF CRAP DECK. Jabronis.” ?

Or “This couldn't be more useless.” ?

What about “Sorry, not sorry, but this project is one of the biggest pieces of crap to ever stink up both Kickstarter and this forum. The "design" (if you wanna call it that) has 0 redeeming qualities and you should be ashamed of disgracing your parents' name with this utterly useless s^&*fest.” ?

Are those statements not antagonistic ? But these comments are from seasoned UC members… Oh, I see my mistake now – newbies “keep score and antagonise” while older members are witty and impudent. Others can introduce the concept of "winning" without censure, but a newbie running with the theme ? Obviously "misguided".

And who says this forum is solely about “design” ? If other members can post cartoon gif’s at each other ad infinitum, I can offer my reasoned opinion on the rationale behind the deck, not just it’s “design”.

And I think there is a difference between this and other hype decks - or at least there is a wit and sly knowing-ness about the project. It is poking fun at the very phenomenon that it is taking advantage of, and that is a very clever trick to pull off and make money at the same time, hence the "win". Others here on UC have alluded to the "very, very, subtle sarcasm" and "sarcastic" posts of the creator, not just me. One can appreciate the skilful execution of an exercise without necessarily approving of the exercise or its effects.

The point I was making was that any criticism of this deck’s design is itself misguided. It is like criticising a Ferrari for not having a big boot and cupholders – that is not what a Ferrari is for. If you want a big boot and cupholders, buy a Volvo, but don’t assume because I point out the lack of cupholders, that I don’t want a Ferrari too.

For the record:

1. My statements exist to antagonize both the stupidity of this campaign's existence as well as other collector's perspectives to lack condolence of such a disfavor to the playing card collecting hobby.
2. YOUR post exists to antagonize other people here at UC. We try to criticize the decks here and not the people. So your disillusioned "veteran vs newbie" mentality is clearly flawed and misguided.

Nothing about this deck is "sly" or "knowing" or whatever BS. It's crap. It belongs in the trash. Nay - it doesn't belong anywhere. It should've never been thought of.

The fact that you think this deck's criticism is "misguided" is truly incorrect and there's nothing left to infer beyond that. -copy and paste Billy Madison quote here-

This forum is to celebrate collecting playing cards. Not capitalism. I suggest "designers" actually put effort into making the playing card hobby BETTER - not worse (which is what this deck does).

ALR wrote:...And who says this forum is solely about “design”?

This forum is definitely not solely about design discussion. I was referring to this particular thread. I wholeheartedly agree with TwoPiece (Swimsuit) that this forum is about celebrating the hobby of collecting cards and celebrating those projects that make the hobby better. It's not all criticism around these parts. This deck just happened to catch the attention of some opinionated folks.

ALR wrote:Takes the logo of the best-known brand in its field (Bicycle);
Puts that logo on the very product (playing cards) that made it world-famous;

What about this description tells us the creator has done anything to better the hobby? Where is the effort or personal stamp on this project? It is simply a cash grab and I believe you are inflating just how insightful this campaign is. As to the sarcasm, I get the impression the others on this thread are assuming he is being sarcastic because it sounds so bizarre it must be a joke. Not that I speak for the others...just sayin'.

ALR wrote:It is like criticising a Ferrari...

Here's a gif because we love our gifs here: I am new to this forum as well (5 months) and it took some getting used to but I like it here. Your opinion is good to read as everyone has a different perspective. However, keep in mind that we aren't out there bad-mouthing the creators on Kickstarter or Instagram. Someone posts a new project and we chime in. It's as simple as that. If a creator happens across the discussion and joins in, that's even better! I don't want you to get the impression it's all negative on UC. We love collaboration and discussions from all angles but we are not going to hold back if a project doesn't seem to be genuine to the hobby.

Twopiece insulted the creator’s parents ! He called other UC members “Jabronis”, which to those unfamiliar with the wrestling term, means ”loser” or “patsy”. Those are personal insults meant to antagonise those members of UC that do not agree with him (the creator is also a member of UC), so that high horse does not suit.

For the record, saying “for the record” does not imbue a statement with any more additional gravitas or importance unless one is speaking to a journalist. And that sentence deserves one of these

The slyness and knowing-ness was attributed to the project as a whole, which takes into account the creator’s comments here on UC, which, as I said before, has been noted by others, not just me. The project is clever, not the deck. The creator is an award-winning magic trick designer and performer - whatever his graphic design credentials may be, I suspect he may have mastered the sly aside by now.

Nowhere have I claimed that criticism of this deck is misguided – read more carefully and one will see that it was criticism of the deck’s design that was misguided. It is a given that there was almost no design involved – how could there be ? It is a logo on a plain background – what design is there to criticise ? Which is the very point I make.

And finally, try celebrating playing cards without capitalism. The hobby only exists because of the ability to pay creators for their work, and to prevent any discussion of the capitalist aspects is ridiculous. UC contains many threads and comments dedicated to marketing, promotion, shipping costs, customs and duties, corporate restructures, corporate responsibility etc. This deck exists primarily as a capitalistic instrument, but you forbid me to discuss that aspect of it because you don't like the design ? The capitalist aspect of this particular deck is the only thing worth discussing !

ALR wrote:Twopiece insulted the creator’s parents ! He called other UC members “Jabronis”, which to those unfamiliar with the wrestling term, means ”loser” or “patsy”. Those are personal insults meant to antagonise those members of UC that do not agree with him (the creator is also a member of UC), so that high horse does not suit.

For the record, saying “for the record” does not imbue a statement with any more additional gravitas or importance unless one is speaking to a journalist. And that sentence deserves one of these

The slyness and knowing-ness was attributed to the project as a whole, which takes into account the creator’s comments here on UC, which, as I said before, has been noted by others, not just me. The project is clever, not the deck. The creator is an award-winning magic trick designer and performer - whatever his graphic design credentials may be, I suspect he may have mastered the sly aside by now.

Nowhere have I claimed that criticism of this deck is misguided – read more carefully and one will see that it was criticism of the deck’s design that was misguided. It is a given that there was almost no design involved – how could there be ? It is a logo on a plain background – what design is there to criticise ? Which is the very point I make.

And finally, try celebrating playing cards without capitalism. The hobby only exists because of the ability to pay creators for their work, and to prevent any discussion of the capitalist aspects is ridiculous. UC contains many threads and comments dedicated to marketing, promotion, shipping costs, customs and duties, corporate restructures, corporate responsibility etc. This deck exists primarily as a capitalistic instrument, but you forbid me to discuss that aspect of it because you don't like the design ? The capitalist aspect is the only thing worth discussing !

Since you're so obviously new, I'm not even going to bother correcting the vast amount of misinformation being propagated here, and instead I'll offer you a bit of effective advice:

Read and learn your audience before engaging. It'll go a long way.

TwoPiece wrote:

ALR wrote:Twopiece insulted the creator’s parents ! He called other UC members “Jabronis”, which to those unfamiliar with the wrestling term, means ”loser” or “patsy”. Those are personal insults meant to antagonise those members of UC that do not agree with him (the creator is also a member of UC), so that high horse does not suit.

For the record, saying “for the record” does not imbue a statement with any more additional gravitas or importance unless one is speaking to a journalist. And that sentence deserves one of these

The slyness and knowing-ness was attributed to the project as a whole, which takes into account the creator’s comments here on UC, which, as I said before, has been noted by others, not just me. The project is clever, not the deck. The creator is an award-winning magic trick designer and performer - whatever his graphic design credentials may be, I suspect he may have mastered the sly aside by now.

Nowhere have I claimed that criticism of this deck is misguided – read more carefully and one will see that it was criticism of the deck’s design that was misguided. It is a given that there was almost no design involved – how could there be ? It is a logo on a plain background – what design is there to criticise ? Which is the very point I make.

And finally, try celebrating playing cards without capitalism. The hobby only exists because of the ability to pay creators for their work, and to prevent any discussion of the capitalist aspects is ridiculous. UC contains many threads and comments dedicated to marketing, promotion, shipping costs, customs and duties, corporate restructures, corporate responsibility etc. This deck exists primarily as a capitalistic instrument, but you forbid me to discuss that aspect of it because you don't like the design ? The capitalist aspect is the only thing worth discussing !

Since you're so obviously new, I'm not even going to bother correcting the vast amount of misinformation being propagated here, and instead I'll offer you a bit of effective advice:

Read and learn your audience before engaging. It'll go a long way.

Actually, you know what, I can't ignore the amount of misinformation being spread by your posts so I'm going to break down and correct everything:

1. I didn't insult the creator's parents. Learn to read.
2. As a long-standing member and 95% sarcastic person, I fail to see how you can literally take my "jabroni" comment as an insult.
3. I will never "take the high horse". Only losers use that saying and claim to make that move.
4. For the record, when I say "for the record", it's a matter of fact. There is no room for interpretation.
5. The project is in no way, shape, or form "sly" or "knowing". It's 100% feces.
6. The creator's comments here hold no bearing on the crappy Kickstarter because that reach is beyond the platform. It adds nothing to the steaming turd of the project.
7. The project is not "clever". It's lazy. It adds nothing good to the hobby.
8. Your criticism of criticism, regardless of whichever words you want to add or remove, is Grade-A horse s&*t. And before you criticize my criticism of your criticism - be reminded that THAT criticism exists to defend criticism. Not the double-negative of shaming criticism.
9. You don't have to be a capitalist to enjoy playing cards. You don't have to live in a capitalist economy to enjoy playing cards. Capitalism has literally nothing to do with playing cards in a vacuum.
10. We're here to discuss playing cards. Not politics. Who the f&*k cares about capitalism when this crap is being spread across our great community? We need to clean it up!
11. Creator - please see my avatar.
12. ALR - please see my avatar.

Capitalism is a wonderful thing, my friend. It keeps artists fed and makes the world go 'round. However, it's just part of the background. You can discuss anything you want. No one here is preventing you from talking about capitalism, some of us just choose to focus on other aspects of these campaigns. I just find hype decks to lack any intrinsic value. The effort is put into clever marketing rather than a unique collection of art.

That is simply my impression. I don't agree with your praise for this deck and how successful the campaign has been, but I don't have to. I'm just glad you are making yourself heard. You do you, ALR.
Peace, Love, and Bacon Grease

TwoPiece wrote:
Read and learn your audience before engaging. It'll go a long way.
Actually, you know what, I can't ignore the amount of misinformation being spread by your posts so I'm going to break down and correct everything:

1. I didn't insult the creator's parents. Learn to read.
2. As a long-standing member and 95% sarcastic person, I fail to see how you can literally take my "jabroni" comment as an insult.
3. I will never "take the high horse". Only losers use that saying and claim to make that move.
4. For the record, when I say "for the record", it's a matter of fact. There is no room for interpretation.
5. The project is in no way, shape, or form "sly" or "knowing". It's 100% feces.
6. The creator's comments here hold no bearing on the crappy Kickstarter because that reach is beyond the platform. It adds nothing to the steaming turd of the project.
7. The project is not "clever". It's lazy. It adds nothing good to the hobby.
8. Your criticism of criticism, regardless of whichever words you want to add or remove, is Grade-A horse s&*t. And before you criticize my criticism of your criticism - be reminded that THAT criticism exists to defend criticism. Not the double-negative of shaming criticism.
9. You don't have to be a capitalist to enjoy playing cards. You don't have to live in a capitalist economy to enjoy playing cards. Capitalism has literally nothing to do with playing cards in a vacuum.
10. We're here to discuss playing cards. Not politics. Who the f&*k cares about capitalism when this crap is being spread across our great community? We need to clean it up!
11. Creator - please see my avatar.
12. ALR - please see my avatar.

Wow. Just wow.

An opinion on an opinion forum becomes fact because it is preceded by "for the record". Does everyone else realise that ?

For the record: You obviously know everything there is to know about playing cards ! I guess it must.

I say again, wow.

It bears saying again... wow.

BaconWise wrote:Capitalism is a wonderful thing, my friend. It keeps artists fed and makes the world go 'round. However, it's just part of the background. You can discuss anything you want. No one here is preventing you from talking about capitalism, some of us just choose to focus on other aspects of these campaigns. I just find hype decks to lack any intrinsic value. The effort is put into clever marketing rather than a unique collection of art.

That is simply my impression. I don't agree with your praise for this deck and how successful the campaign has been, but I don't have to. I'm just glad you are making yourself heard. You do you, ALR.
Peace, Love, and Bacon Grease

Thanks, I'll try to do me (phnaar, phnarr !).

But please point out where I praised the deck, or even the success of the campaign ?

i just said that criticising the design is misguided, but the project was clever (which by at least one objective measure, it is - it funded). I didn't say I liked the deck, the project, the creator, capitalism, the effect of hype decks on creativity or anything else.

If it matters, I despise hype decks in general and would burn them rather than contaminate my collection, but at least I know that is only my opinion. For the record. Oh, that's now a fact, apparently

Please note an edit of my earlier post - I make it clear that the capitalistic aspect OF THIS PARTICULAR DECK is the only aspect worthy of discussion, not of all decks generally. That would be insane, and I thought it was clear from context, but obviously not.

ALR wrote:

TwoPiece wrote:
Read and learn your audience before engaging. It'll go a long way.
Actually, you know what, I can't ignore the amount of misinformation being spread by your posts so I'm going to break down and correct everything:

1. I didn't insult the creator's parents. Learn to read.
2. As a long-standing member and 95% sarcastic person, I fail to see how you can literally take my "jabroni" comment as an insult.
3. I will never "take the high horse". Only losers use that saying and claim to make that move.
4. For the record, when I say "for the record", it's a matter of fact. There is no room for interpretation.
5. The project is in no way, shape, or form "sly" or "knowing". It's 100% feces.
6. The creator's comments here hold no bearing on the crappy Kickstarter because that reach is beyond the platform. It adds nothing to the steaming turd of the project.
7. The project is not "clever". It's lazy. It adds nothing good to the hobby.
8. Your criticism of criticism, regardless of whichever words you want to add or remove, is Grade-A horse s&*t. And before you criticize my criticism of your criticism - be reminded that THAT criticism exists to defend criticism. Not the double-negative of shaming criticism.
9. You don't have to be a capitalist to enjoy playing cards. You don't have to live in a capitalist economy to enjoy playing cards. Capitalism has literally nothing to do with playing cards in a vacuum.
10. We're here to discuss playing cards. Not politics. Who the f&*k cares about capitalism when this crap is being spread across our great community? We need to clean it up!
11. Creator - please see my avatar.
12. ALR - please see my avatar.

Wow. Just wow.

An opinion on an opinion forum becomes fact because it is preceded by "for the record". Does everyone else realise that ?

For the record: You obviously know everything there is to know about playing cards ! I guess it must.

I say again, wow.

It bears saying again... wow.

I have elicited the response that I desired...

aardvarkgod wrote:

Outsider wrote:

I'm glad you posted this image...I reference this a few times a month

Bless you...

TwoPiece wrote:
2. As a [] 95% sarcastic person

Are you sure ? Because you don't seem to appreciate it in others...

I keep thinking that one of these days I'll "design" a double-blank deck with gilding and a separate gaff pack (yes, you read that right).

This thread has made me realize what it must be called: Dada.

I was also tossing around the idea of randomly gluing 1 in 50 of the tucks shut with superglue, just for laughs. I bet those will sell for extra on the aftermarket.

Outsider wrote:I keep thinking that one of these days I'll "design" a double-blank deck with gilding and a separate gaff pack (yes, you read that right).

This thread has made me realize what it must be called: Dada.

I was also tossing around the idea of randomly gluing 1 in 50 of the tucks shut with superglue, just for laughs. I bet those will sell for extra on the aftermarket.

"Ceci, n'est pas un jeu de cartes"

ALR wrote:

TwoPiece wrote:
2. As a [] 95% sarcastic person

Are you sure ? Because you don't seem to appreciate it in others...

I identify as a turtle, jabroni.

TwoPiece wrote:I identify as a turtle, jabroni.

Really ? If you identify as any animal, I would have guessed a one trick pony, Sarcasm Boy.

ALR wrote:

TwoPiece wrote:I identify as a turtle, jabroni.

Really ? If you identify as any animal, I would have guessed a one trick pony, Sarcasm Boy.

This is why you're a failure.

You obviously misunderstand how sarcasm and humor work. What you post has to actually be funny.

TwoPiece wrote: This is why you're a failure.

You obviously misunderstand how sarcasm and humor work. What you post has to actually be funny.

You didn’t write “for the record” – is this your own version of “Simon Says” where if you don’t write “for the record”, I am supposed to ignore what you say (because believe me, I wouldn't mind a bit) ?

It has been a long time since I was in the school-yard, and the rules of childish games must not be as fresh in my mind as yours.

39 posts vs 3233 posts, that's just not fair, right?

Wish you all a nice, chill weekend!

Cheers

Please, let's keep the discussion focused on the deck and project. Feel free to start a new thread on the topic of sarcasm in the General section

shkorc wrote:39 posts vs 3233 posts, that's just not fair, right?

Wish you all a nice, chill weekend!

Cheers

Yes, but about half of them are BS.

How kind of you!

MagikFingerz wrote:Please, let's keep the discussion focused on the deck and project. Feel free to start a new thread on the topic of sarcasm in the General section

Amateur Mod has spoken...

[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ[/youtube]
I wonder why I am reminded of this...

Kurama wrote:[youtube]https://youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ[/youtube]
I wonder why I am reminded of this...

I have been away a couple of days from this forum so a lot of catching up for me. I didn't even bother to read all the messages on this thread as I don't want to spend any time discussing or thinking about shit decks like this one.

Apperantly some cardistry fanboy and TwoPiece having an argument... I won't even bother to read any new messages on this thread, I think I'll rather try to search something worthwhile instead of waisting any more time on shit like this.

Welcome back, Roope! This thread was a fun one. Best to move along

Räpylätassu wrote:I have been away a couple of days from this forum so a lot of catching up for me. I didn't even bother to read all the messages on this thread as I don't want to spend any time discussing or thinking about shit decks like this one.

Apperantly some cardistry fanboy and TwoPiece having an argument... I won't even bother to read any new messages on this thread, I think I'll rather try to search something worthwhile instead of waisting any more time on shit like this.

At least spend some time enjoying a good old Monty python

Räpylätassu wrote:I have been away a couple of days from this forum so a lot of catching up for me. I didn't even bother to read all the messages on this thread as I don't want to spend any time discussing or thinking about shit decks like this one.

Apperantly some cardistry fanboy and TwoPiece having an argument... I won't even bother to read any new messages on this thread, I think I'll rather try to search something worthwhile instead of waisting any more time on shit like this.

Cardistry fanboy ?

ALR wrote:
If it matters, I despise hype decks in general and would burn them rather than contaminate my collection, but at least I know that is only my opinion.

Perhaps you should have read more carefuilly if you are going to go to the trouble of posting your own comment. I find it helps to understand what is being said before disagreeing with it.

My intention was to point out the ridiculousness of Sarcasm Boy hurling abuse at this type of design (or lack therof) simply to entertain himself and a few others on this forum, without addressing the more important aspects of the custom card collecting world that allows such designs to flourish.

But sure, call me names if you want...

Kurama wrote:At least spend some time enjoying a good old Monty python

Made my day.

Räpylätassu wrote:I don't want to spend any time discussing or thinking about shit decks like this one. ... I think I'll rather try to search something worthwhile instead of waisting any more time on shit like this.

This thread is back at the top of the UC index board, thus improving its visibility to the card collecting world (however minutely) and fulfilling the promotion and marketing wishes of it’s creator.

At the moment, this deck is just a few hundred dollars away from hitting its first stretch goal. By expressing your distaste and disdain for this deck, you and Sarcasm Boy have inadvertently helped promote it.

Is that an aspect of card collecting worth discussing ?

*going back to "last person to post wins" thread*

Kurama wrote:*going back to "last person to post wins" thread*

OK, I’ll play, but to elevate the game beyond the schoolyard, each post has to have an opinion in it, how’s that ?

Here’s my next go:

For a discussion forum, there sure are a lot of members who don’t seem to want to participate in a discussion.