Independence - by Jackson Robinson - KS Funded $116k!

[bamabenz]

Maybe Jackson is doing this because he is running out of room...just think of all those idle Federal 52 Black unbranded decks lying around his house taking up storage space.

I hope he has enough left over to offer forcing decks on his website.

[JacksonRobinson]

Maybe Jackson is doing this because he is running out of room...just think of all those idle Federal 52 Black unbranded decks lying around his house taking up storage space.

I hope he has enough left over to offer forcing decks on his website.

Ha Ha,

When USPCC Printed the LTD Unbranded Reserve Notes they only printed 1100 and the 100 extra was for 10% overages. Luckily I don't have a bunch of those lying around my wife would kill me. I actually only have about a brick of those, and the ones I have are unsealed and numbered so they are unsalable really. The only sealed and numbered one I have is the 1st edition deck, I even had to buy that back from the backer that pledged for it during the campaign. Cost me about $750 but it was well worth it. I realized selling it was a big mistake as that was the only first edition I didn't have.

Here are some picks of the Display decks

[Eoghann]

So USPCC does bend the printing rules for Jackson. Now that's power.

Love the simplicity of the display decks!

[MagikFingerz]

AFAIK the 2500 minimum was never a "rule", they just charged so much more per deck on smaller runs that it wasn't even considered by anyone.

[Widdee]

So USPCC does bend the printing rules for Jackson. Now that's power.

Love the simplicity of the display decks!

Yes, these look sweet in their own minimalist iway.

[lolo]

What can i say ? Even the display decks could be collector

Thank you again Jackson for these decks. We can see the cards without open LE decks themselves...

Chapeau bas Messieurs à Monsieur Robinson ! ***


*** Hat off Gentlemen to Mr. Robinson !

[Sharpie]

Just catching up on this thread. Super excited!

[vasta41]

AFAIK the 2500 minimum was never a "rule", they just charged so much more per deck on smaller runs that it wasn't even considered by anyone.

I'm sure there were other decks printed in smaller runs but weren't the White Centurions a 1100 run?

[MagikFingerz]

AFAIK the 2500 minimum was never a "rule", they just charged so much more per deck on smaller runs that it wasn't even considered by anyone.

I'm sure there were other decks printed in smaller runs but weren't the White Centurions a 1100 run?

Yes, or at least that's the number T11 told us.

[rjtomlinson1977]

I wish I could follow the same rule book they gave Jackson. They told me the minimum qty is 2500. I actually just checked the other day to see if I could at least change the color of the backs for Global half way through the print run. They told me even to do that I would need to have two runs of 2500.

[chach]

I wish I could follow the same rule book they gave Jackson. They told me the minimum qty is 2500. I actually just checked the other day to see if I could at least change the color of the backs for Global half way through the print run. They told me even to do that I would need to have two runs of 2500.

Think of it like this, imagine you're at a casino in Vegas, most people are in the poker room of Caesar's Palace, not a bad place to be as you get the occasional free room comp'd and all you can drink so long as you tip your waitress.

Jackson however is a high-roller in Monte-Carlo, shmoozing it up with the likes of T11, the Princes of Saudi Arabia and Sterling Archer. Getting to stay in the presidential suite and having hookers and blow tossed at him instead of the escort cards they hand out on the strip in Vegas to folk like me.

So yeah, while you're a designer in a good spot and can get the attention of USPCC and the occasional cool favor from them, you need to become a high roller before you can get a low print run or convince a company that they need to start offering gilded edges again.

[rousselle]

Pledging for this project is closed. The project funded. $116,525. Another one that just barely squeaked in by the skin of its teeth.

Congratulations, Jackson!

[Sher]

Another one that just barely squeaked in by the skin of its teeth.

... What? I don't get it.

[Encarded]

Another one that just barely squeaked in by the skin of its teeth.

... What? I don't get it.

I'm pretty sure that comment was drenched in a large vat of gooey sarcasm.

[Sher]

Another one that just barely squeaked in by the skin of its teeth.

... What? I don't get it.

I'm pretty sure that comment was drenched in a large vat of gooey sarcasm.

Oh.

[cosmicsecret]

I just finished my backerkit for this campaign.
I thought there would be a option to add-on the Sherlock Holmes Moriarty V2 but this was not a possible option to choose
@Jackson you said earlier that you will be able to set a lower value for the pledged decks on Kickstarter so that we internationals dont get hit by
additional custom fees. How can we let you know by PM or Email? (i pledged for SH and the Indi decks) Thanks in advance!

[bhong]

@ cosmicsecret

What Jackson does is list the Kickstarter price on the value on the Kickstarter reward sent out as well as listing it as a "gift" since, by technicality, they are. You are pledging money and getting a gift out of it kind of like those public service TV channel pledge drives (ie. PBS). Other than that, there's not a lot more that Jackson can do as it's a US Federal crime to list the value of something other than it is. I believe the big companies have run into that issue in the past as my most recent orders from them list the decks at full retail value over production value, which they did do in the past.

All I can say is that custom sucks and I do feel your pain, but it's just unfortunately the bullet us international backers have to face.

[SBurk49]

So I gots mine.

Its only two and a sticker. But hey, they are in great shape and I cant wait to open them.

[SBurk49]

Ok... So I just couldnt wait any longer.... I HAD to open them.

Here are my findings...

First, my complaints:
Both decks come with two cards that kind of make one cool lookin picture. Here's the deal, My Continental deck was missing the Kings Wild ad card to complete the picture. Odd right? Only a MINOR bummer for me though. However, if a joker was missing, I would be steaming mad.


Also, I dont know if you can tell, but the Crown's picture doesnt QUITE line up. Again, MINOR bummer for me, if not SUPER minor.


Ok, now the good things:

EVERYTHING ELSE. Beautiful artwork as we have come to expect from JR. But the Tuckcases.... Y'all... let me tell you. If it aint the coolest dadgum tuckcase I done ever seen.... I dont know what is...

Homeboy put foiling INSIDE the tuckcase.... Bro... read this again... INSIDE!!!! I was baffled and in awe of the beauty. Definitely one of my faves.

[Jock1971]

Ok... So I just couldnt wait any longer.... I HAD to open them.
Here's the deal, My Continental deck was missing the Kings Wild ad card to complete the picture. Odd right? Only a MINOR bummer for me though. However, if a joker was missing, I would be steaming mad.

One Half of the Dyptich is missing and it`s ONLY a MINOR bummer.

I was looking forward to getting these in 3 weeks time ,now i`ll have to send them back as soon as i get them and wait another 3-4 weeks after that . This is a MAJOR bummer if you ask me.

EDIT- Maybe he`ll run another Kickstarter for a V.2 Continental deck to fix the problem?

[Mike Ratledge]

Ok... So I just couldnt wait any longer.... I HAD to open them.
Here's the deal, My Continental deck was missing the Kings Wild ad card to complete the picture. Odd right? Only a MINOR bummer for me though. However, if a joker was missing, I would be steaming mad.

One Half of the Dyptich is missing and it`s ONLY a MINOR bummer.

I was looking forward to getting these in 3 weeks time ,now i`ll have to send them back as soon as i get them and wait another 3-4 weeks after that . This is a MAJOR bummer if you ask me.

It is kind of strange, but believe me, he can't possibly know when they make a set missing one card in it. He'd have to open and inspect every single deck, and that's just not happening. I surely wouldn't expect it, it's not even reasonable to think he would, really. It's like finding a deck that has a single mis-aligned card in it: nobody would ever know except for the fact that the specific deck was opened, and for most true collectors that doesn't really happen very often. Now, if every single deck in a series of thousands (or even several hundred) had a certain uniform defect, even that would be hard to detect, but I suppose you might be more likely to know about it. What can you do, though? You're surely going to depend on _them_ to notice if you're paying for Q1 control in the first place. It's not really the artist's job to know, that's why they charge extra for Q1 as opposed to Q4 (as far as I know, last I checked there was no in between as in the old Q2 & Q3, it's either manually checked ("Q1") or totally machine controlled packing ("Q4"). As always, YMMV, and it almost always does. There used to be shades of quality control between the two, but - fairly certain these days it's either or, no half-way or otherwise.

[Jock1971]

It is kind of strange, but believe me, he can't possibly know when they make a set missing one card in it. He'd have to open and inspect every single deck, and that's just not happening. I surely wouldn't expect it, it's not even reasonable to think he would, really. It's like finding a deck that has a single mis-aligned card in it: nobody would ever know except for the fact that the specific deck was opened, and for most true collectors that doesn't really happen very often. Now, if every single deck in a series of thousands (or even several hundred) had a certain uniform defect, even that would be hard to detect, but I suppose you might be more likely to know about it. What can you do, though? You're surely going to depend on _them_ to notice if you're paying for Q1 control in the first place. It's not really the artist's job to know, that's why they charge extra for Q1 as opposed to Q4 (as far as I know, last I checked there was no in between as in the old Q2 & Q3, it's either manually checked ("Q1") or totally machine controlled packing ("Q4"). As always, YMMV, and it almost always does. There used to be shades of quality control between the two, but - fairly certain these days it's either or, no half-way or otherwise.

Ahh i see. Thanks for that Mike
Its a good job that Us few that do open decks up notice these defects, So all the "True" collector`s get to know about them.

[Mike Ratledge]

Ahh i see. Thanks for that Mike
Its a good job that Us few that do open decks up notice these defects, So all the "True" collector`s get to know about them.

Oh, I agree, Jace. The fact is that I do tend to open a deck here and there unlike many that only buy one or two decks, just because I typically pick up a brick if I get them at all, but not always.

The thing is that I'm quite used to handling the cards, since I came over about a year+ now ago from being a strictly vintage / antique deck collector, and those are almost always open decks. Needless to say, the older decks just aren't very interesting at least as far as what we're used to from USPCC-based brands, because until the advent of custom decks which is a relatively recent thing, almost the only thing of note that was even different was 1) the back, 2) the Ace of Spades and 3) the jokers - assuming they exist, which decks before around 1890 in most case they did not. We've gotten more and more used to finding custom courts, custom pips/faces, custom jokers and diptychs and all sorts of nice treatment for the recent 'custom' decks, even if they are USPCC-made. I guess my only real point here is that a lot of the other makers like Piatnik in Austria and most others did more even back in the day, so we tend to look at those more closely, whereas for the most part with a few exceptions - like the "New Era #46" deck I just bought you just aren't expecting to find much beyond a different AoS, jokers (maybe) and back/tuck (again, if it has a tuck, lots of older decks don't have the box and in many cases you're going to find that just like today, 90% of people opened the deck and immediately threw the jokers away, so having those is a plus, and not the norm for Bicycle/Bee/Aristocrat/Tally Ho brands, and the opposite is usually true when it comes to Piatnik, Cartamundi, Bierman, etc. As you already know, most of the British-nade decks are pretty much the same as what we here in the states are used to, and typically might have custom AoS (but not always, old Waddies generally have the period AoS and not something different - most of the time, and old de la Rue decks are about the same way, but not always. Just like the New Era 46 deck, we pretty much know which ones are going to have custom cards - IF they do at all, and that's pretty much true of most British-made deck manufacturers as well. If it's an old Reynolds deck, it's pretty much bound to have the AoS the fits the time period it was made, of course a different back or we couldn't tell them apart at all, and in some cases different joker(s), in others not. You just learn to know what to expect depending upon which deck you buy, and you also learn that it's not much in the way of expectations most of the time. There are exceptions, of course, just like there are with USPCC decks. You might know you got a Congress 606 early deck - say 1890's, so you expect it to have a geometric back for example.) I guess the only rule is that there are always exceptions? Just like you know if it's a "1" deck it's pretty much going to contain the same thing regardless of when it was made, save for the AoS and back - perhaps, then again if it's a Bicycle 808 deck the backs and jokers move over time, as does the AoS and in most cases tying a deck to a certain time period is a function of looking at the Ace - and like I said, that's "most of the time", but not always. A good example is the older early 1900's pictorial decks. Most of those are fully custom down to individual cards unlike most decks from the same time period. It's kind of like when I found a certain deck with a purple back (it was by change an older Congress 606 deck) - I just knew because every one I'd ever seen was red/blue/green/brown that the purple geometric back was an unusual one, simply because I'd never run across one before. As it turns out, nobody else had seen that particular back before either, and it's estimated it's worth $600 in the condition I found, unlike typical other decks of the exact same timeframe that are worth an average of $200-$250.

I suppose I'm WAY off-topic here, carry on folks - nothing to see here (as usual I get wordy, that's just the what you expect when you open up a Mike Ratledge forum response) .

[Sher]

Maybe it was just that one deck. Somehow when the machine or whatever puts the cards into the deck, one slipped out and didn't get included. I mean, it surely can't be missing from all the decks. If it was, that means it wasn't printed on the uncut sheet in the first place, and the diptych cards are right next to each other on the uncut sheet, so it's pretty easy to spot if the other half of the diptych wasn't there.

SBurk is saying it's a minor error probably because it doesn't affect the functionality/playability of the deck (thank goodness). Also, he might be downplaying it because Jackson is getting a lot of heat from this forum and he doesn't want to start another round of "bitching" and "complaints."

Yeah, let's move on. Any criticism on this won't change things, anyway. With all the discussion on the Tally-Ho deck, any valid criticism gets lost since people are just going to lump everything together as incessant whining (even if it's not).

[nECr0MaNCeD]

I got my two decks Friday as well. I got the same package Sburke did. I wanted more but it just wasn't in the budget that week. I wasn't planning to open them but I suppose now I will have to. I am on my way to work. I will post my results later tonight.

[SBurk49]

Its a good job that Us few that do open decks up notice these defects, So all the "True" collector`s get to know about them.

I resent that remark.

Mike R.- Once again sir, TL;DR. lol

SBurk is saying it's a minor error probably because it doesn't affect the functionality/playability of the deck (thank goodness).

Yes.

Also, he might be downplaying it because Jackson is getting a lot of heat from this forum and he doesn't want to start another round of "bitching" and "complaints."

Not likely. But trust me, I got an email today. They ARE watching. In a good way.

[Mike Ratledge]

Its a good job that Us few that do open decks up notice these defects, So all the "True" collector`s get to know about them.

I resent that remark.

Mike R.- Once again sir, TL;DR. lol

SBurk is saying it's a minor error probably because it doesn't affect the functionality/playability of the deck (thank goodness).

Yes.
hahaha - no kidding?!?

Executive summary: many old vintage and antique decks don't have their tucks and most don't have their jokers. The only thing left that is different is the backs and the Ace of Spades.

[SpecialK]

Independence decks came in...gorgeous as usual.

[chach]

Very nice. Congrats.

[chach]

Got my shipping notice today.