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I feel like half of ithe 5,100 backer are just majority reseller or extra dummy account in hope to get the extra foil deck ($26)....why because when i clicked on about 12 to 16 (yes small as sample) default profile account i only see recently made account with 1 backed (mint 2) or old account which only have 1-2 project backed. The remaining majority are just lurkers which once in awhile will back

To be honest, there were probably people who created Kickstarter accounts just to back his campaign due to the success of the initial release of the deck. The same could be said of any given CMON board game campaign. I didn't start using Kickstarter until I saw an announcement for a board game that I was already familiar with the publisher and designer. So, just because an account is less active or new on a campaign does not mean it's a bot or a "dummy" account. That's pretty thin. I think my KS profile is still the "default" one and I'm a "superbacker."

In fact, to pledge, you'd have to have a valid credit card number, because even though the card isn't charged the number is validated, so Asad or someone possibly acting in consort with Asad would need to have a bot net and access to long list of stolen credit card numbers. I don't know that fluffing the pledges on a KS campaign would really be worth the potential consequences. Not to mention, what does the creator gain from that? Less money raised from the campaign to print cards there's already a demand for?

I could see maybe some enterprising individuals going out of their way to get around the brick-per-backer by creating secondary accounts for additional pledges. Possibly I could see your theory working in this case, however, I'm not sure someone motivated and thoughtful enough would go to such lengths realizing that their efforts only end up diluting their own ability to profiteer from them.

I'm probably splitting hairs here, but I don't think Asad or backers on this campaign are as nefarious as some in this thread have suggested. Some of the stuff he's done is probably because he wasn't honestly expecting the demand that we're now seeing exists for his decks and that Kickstarter as a platform certainly has many limitations. Like, I don't think he's out to be like "eff it, some backers just won't get the foiled decks that they pledged for," (while twirling his mustache) it's literally because the way the campaign is structured he has no way of "reserving" items by user or limiting the number of users pledging for those items because of the way the pledge tiers were initially structured. Keeping in mind the foiled decks were an after thought in the campaign, and because he got overwhelming feedback from backers to create something like that. I'm actually surprised at his agility in responding to backer feedback and trying to produce products people want. This is only his second Kickstarter campaign, so yeah, something of this magnitude with his experience I'm not surprised there are a couple of not-so-well-thought-out hiccups, but to assume that it's because he wants to be manipulative or "greedy," that's a pretty big stretch. (newsflash: the impetus for anyone to create something that you consume is "greed," so good luck doing the mental acrobatics in your head to reasonably justify any product you purchase-- in fact, I'm pretty sure most of us here have jobs or have had jobs and I'm sure we don't do/didn't do them for free)

After initially lowering my pledge to one of each, I saw the announcement for the Collector tier this afternoon, so I jumped on it as soon as I saw the update. I really wanted one of those prototypes, and the fact that you get a discount on all of the other decks isn't bad, either.

"extra dummy account in hope to get the extra foil deck ($26).."

Maybe i should have use the word alternate account instead of dummy, i am not implying any bots was used or people consort with Asad at all. My point was about what u wrote in the 3rd point only

I also dont think he bad guy only find that greed played a part with his intitial decision with wanting to increase the producer pledge.

Its only natural to get greedy (majority of living things).

We are now venturing into hypothesis. Some of the new accounts or accounts that have been rarely used you see are just new people joining Kickstarter for the first time or people that rarely use their accounts, but are coming back for a popular kickstarter campaign. However, in review of your comments, I also concede that there also are likely backers that are using multiple accounts. This is especially true given the offer for a "free" deck with every early backer order. Other than for the early backer tier, there is no reason for people to use multiple accounts. I don't think it makes up a huge volume of the backers, but that is just conjecture on my part. I still feel that you are seeing lots of new interest given he has nearly 1 million youtube subscribers.

Icantshuffle, nice snag on a Collector Tier. I am glad they were long gone when I saw it, so I didn't have to resist the urge to back it as well. I do think those prototypes will be nice, but I really don't want tons of these decks. The foil deck is the one that interests me the most. BTW, just a tad under $498k right now.

Hello!
I was a Day One backer for the Mint 2 Playing Cards project on kickstarter, but I wasn't fast enough to buy the limited Producer package before it was sold out. I very much regret missing out on this, and I would like to purchase the Producer Package from whoever is willing to sell it. Prices can be negotiated with cash, cards, my gratitude, etc.
Thanks!

azrasha,

Welcome. I was in the same situation until the Collector pledge was added. There have been a few backers that have switched from the Collector tiers, keep your eye on the campaign to see if anymore drop.

I mainly want my name on the producer card, not really interested in a signed deck or a prototype deck.

@ICantShuffle

Gratz getting my Collector tier this afternoon. I dropped the tier cause I don't need some many card decks especially if I'm not planing to resell them.

I saw that Asad responded to my comment, but only in-part (and nothing particular to what I was actually complaining about). He claimed that he only advertised the value of the V1 LE deck as being sold for $150-200 on the aftermarket because "he's proud". He didn't even bother acknowledging the fact that he said, specifically, that he was creating the new foiled deck "for resale value" (which was what my comment was referring to, not the "pride" of his V1 deck values on the KS page).

The hype train garners $500k. Shame.

@ICantShuffle

Gratz getting my Collector tier this afternoon. I dropped the tier cause I don't need some many card decks especially if I'm not planing to resell them.

Thanks, but I didn't pick up a dropped pledge, I got the update notification on my phone and pledged then. I think I was like number two or three of 38. I did see someone dropped one in the comments section yesterday, though.

I totally understand not wanting that many decks on hand, though. The cool thing is that if you do the math on the tier, you're getting the prototype deck "for free" since the combined pledge amounts for each of the other decks is more than the total for that pledge tier. It works out to be $566 USD, subtract $13 for the free day one bonus, so it'd be $553. So, selling the other decks at regular retail price (i.e. not speculating and expecting a huge return) the prototype deck essentially pays for itself.

The best tier is still producer deck...not too many decks.

Cant wait for ebay tmr and the weeks to come

The hype train garners $500k. Shame.

TwoPiece, is it really that bad? You like the decks, right?

I don't know if this is purely "hype." He's got a YouTube following, sure, but he makes a deck design that people really seem to like (put myself in that category). Why is it bad that it's an insanely popular deck and it's now gone from being only three decks, to being 4 (5 if you count the prototype) with 3 gimmicked variants and a ton of gaffs? Yeah, he's made over half-a-million because it's actually a good deck. If anything, he just brought a ton of new blood into the hobby.

I'm not encouraging speculation here, I like playing devil's advocate, but I also think that just because it will be printed in a large volume does not mean there won't be an aftermarket demand for the deck. As others have mentioned, there will only be a finite number produced, we don't know that final number off hand. However, economics 101: scarcity isn't just the absolute volume of an available resource, it's also the level of demand in a market that impacts scarcity. In other words, even with $525K in funding, will he be able to print enough decks to saturate the market? I don't know. So even saying things like "oh this deck isn't really limited" by looking at just the print run size, doesn't really indicate much as far as future availability. The "gold" seal (Richard Turner) Bee decks had a huge print run, they're similar idea to the Mint decks (magician's worker decks) and they're harder to come by now, because people used them for what they were for and ordered them in large quantities.

ICantShuffle wrote:

The hype train garners $500k. Shame.

TwoPiece, is it really that bad? You like the decks, right?

I don't know if this is purely "hype." He's got a YouTube following, sure, but he makes a deck design that people really seem to like (put myself in that category). Why is it bad that it's an insanely popular deck and it's now gone from being only three decks, to being 4 (5 if you count the prototype) with 3 gimmicked variants and a ton of gaffs? Yeah, he's made over half-a-million because it's actually a good deck. If anything, he just brought a ton of new blood into the hobby.

I'm not encouraging speculation here, I like playing devil's advocate, but I also think that just because it will be printed in a large volume does not mean there won't be an aftermarket demand for the deck. As others have mentioned, there will only be a finite number produced, we don't know that final number off hand. However, economics 101: scarcity isn't just the absolute volume of an available resource, it's also the level of demand in a market that impacts scarcity. In other words, even with $525K in funding, will he be able to print enough decks to saturate the market? I don't know. So even saying things like "oh this deck isn't really limited" by looking at just the print run size, doesn't really indicate much as far as future availability. The "gold" seal (Richard Turner) Bee decks had a huge print run, they're similar idea to the Mint decks (magician's worker decks) and they're harder to come by now, because people used them for what they were for and ordered them in large quantities.

I don't have any problems with large-volume decks, but the "hype train" is his advertisement as high-value decks for resale on the aftermarket disgusts me. It immediately sealed my decision to drop my pledge. These also aren't must-have great decks. The marking system is impossible to utilize a few feet away. They aren't worker decks at $13/piece, either. It's just a cringe-worthy campaign.

Did I miss something? I've been reading all the updates but I haven't seen a single thing about the "second chance to get a gilded deck" bull ish. Does anyone know when I have to re-confirm this awful business tactic?

There is no news because I bought them in bulk. I will soon offer them on eBay wrapped in gold foil in a nice gold painted wooden box lined in luxurious gold felt - handcrafted. $195.95 each with shipping included.

I will offer them hand-gilded with craft gel pens from Hobby Lobby.

They will be wrapped in pieces of the one and only Golden Fleece, acquired by Jason and the Argonauts c. 1000BCE. And sealed with a USPS forever stamp.

Extremely limited edition. $19,999.95.

I don't understand offering a gilded version of a deck that's allegedly intended to be a "worker" deck...

'Cause sometimes a deck just wants to feel fancy, Y'KNOW, once in a while...

Like, maybe some flowers and steak dinner once in awhile.

It's like everyday you come home from work, having to touch all those other decks. But your trusty deck that waits at home for you all day, just... wants to be appreciated a little bit more.

I was going to take that joke a little bit farther, but I'll let it die

Workers aren't allowed to have nice things?

Since I backed this on day one, I get a free Blueberry deck, so I paid for only the foiled frost version - ended up being $30 for the two decks and the bonus gaffe pack, not a bad deal

Anyway, they posted yesterday on Kickstarter: "There was another delay with the USPC for the Foil Frost Mint decks, but they are ready now and those decks expected to arrive at the warehouse next week. We will be moving onto shipping larger packages, and packages that include the frost mint decks soon!"

Just saw some on eBay, mostly preorder but also saw a posting for all three (including the frost deck) that seemed to have it in hand. I always pictured the frost deck tuck box to be an arctic white.. the picture I saw on eBay is kinda different than imagined.

Was it this? These are the original Mints

No, search for Mint luxury playing cards V2 on eBay. I don't want to post any pictures in case anyone on here wanted it to be a surprise.

I believe that is the Blueberry and Cucumber decks with the gaff pack and a sticker.

Yep, looks like the gaffe pack!

Ah makes more sense! Whew I wasn't feeling that color for the frost edition!

Crazy that the eBay posting for a blueberry and a cucumber plus the gaff pack is selling for $90!

Someone's already selling the foiled frost mint 2 deck for $220 on ebay... already at about the same price as the original mint limited edition deck..

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What's the point of a marked deck that you can't even read..?

TwoPiece wrote:What's the point of a marked deck that you can't even read..?

Hopefully with the 25% increase in the back design, the markings will be easier to read. Have you gotten your cards and found that not to be the case?
I think there's a fine line between a marked deck being easy to read and for it to remain inconspicuous to the uninitiated eye.