WILD RESERVE: PINK BOAR

[Decknowledgy]

I messaged Bill in private and kinda told him how it is around UC, but honestly, I do think that people should give a break to people who are just enthusiast in creating something for the first time, especially when the project was directed pretty specifically for an animal sanctuary. That's why I stopped my quick judgment like two or three replies later and offered an update.

I'd said it ain't fair to compare first-timers with long-time professional playing card designers, and this project is not like those other ones that are just so downright "Ooo~ this is MY design for Cardistry, the best in the business, the flashiest water tap design that's gonna get you all the girls" type of sassiness. I've already warned Bill about some criticism with hard words not meant to be so negative on UC, and he understands, but if people decide to just keep going, I'd be heated too if I were the first-timer.

And elsewhere someone was talking about the negativity on UC... I think that's a warning sign no matter what. Playing card collectors aren't the top of the business; we just like collecting, that's all. Everyone is still subject to their own preferences, and I believe even long-time members here don't have the same taste for the same design. So what are we to say about being a better critic than others?

I'd say any first-time creator bold enough to come up here and engage the community in a friendly initial manner are all worth encouraging, or else at the end of the day there'll just be old farts here.

[Decknowledgy]

He has:

Your opinion is insignificant

Truly, I appreciate giving someone the benefit of the doubt, but this isn't a lack of flowerly language. Mr. Davis has gotten straight to the point. His one and only interest is getting his money.

Apparently you didn't read his friendliness at the beginning of the thread. Go back and get the whole picture. And I do think I have the right to say so because I was the first one to criticize his work, got in contact with him, and invited him onto the platform.

[Bradius]

While I really don't like or want to defend the author, you are taking his response way out of context. A better, but still abbreviated quote is "Your opinion is insignificant and inaccurate in comparison. However, you are entitled to it." Underlining additional language in his response. In additional context, it was mainly that his deck may not be as complex and customized as some charging $15 each, but was moving well to funding, so it looks like it will be successful. He pointed out that not everyone insists on fully custom decks. He is correct. He is acknowledging your entitlement to your opinions. Would I have chosen the words he did, no. I get that too, but don't just focus on part of the response.

[Outsider]

Apparently you didn't read his friendliness at the beginning of the thread. Go back and get the whole picture. And I do think I have the right to say so because I was the first one to criticize his work, got in contact with him, and invited him onto the platform.

I did and responded to it, pointing out that while his logic in deflecting criticism is flawed, I wish him luck.

He responded to me, and I elaborated on specifics of what aspects of his deck were received negatively. Is this wrong of me?

His response to that was to tell me to choke on "sausage" and elaborate that my opinion is insignificant next to the fact that he got funded. Maybe you see where this rankles me a bit?

A better, but still abbreviated quote is

I chose to abbreviate it as I did because the entirety of the paragraph seems to me to support the tone of that quote. Don't forget:

we are all entitled to our opinion even if the numbers and success shows that most hold an opinion vastly different from yours.

Done with the nonsense questions now.

In summary, I got my money so screw you. My opinion is insignificant, because he's confident of funding. What am I really taking out of context here?

And does this not remind you an awful lot of DM?

[Decknowledgy]

Thank you to those who did support the deck or donated to the cause!

While I understand the issue some have with DM, and actually had the same experience from orders placed over the course of a year prior to becoming a close friend, I was just put off that others' experiences were held against me personally. As you may have seen, I explained a lot of this to Decknowledgy.

I understand some may not like my deck and that's fine - everyone is not always going to like everything. I just thank those who donated directly to the preserve and that's really what this is all about and I can't tell you how much that means. I have a V2 in the works so you're likely to not like that either, but down the road I plan to finalize another deck (completely unrelated) that I've been working on for over a year (actually my first one) but that's been but on the backburner due to copyright issues.

I really hope people don't judge me and see my heart and intent - I'm just a guy starting out with my very first deck and my very first Kicstarter campaign so any and all support is appreciated, truly. Otherwise, if you're interested, you might at least stroll to the Updates section of my campaign where I talk in some of the updates about the pigs. There's even one particulary heartwarming story about "Poppy" and if you did donate to the rescue, you help make things like this possible. Again thanks for taking the time to read this and at least giving me a chance, those of you who do.

Nothing but love - Bill

@Outsider I'm not saying that you don't have a point, but when you jumped in, the debate was already heated, so you get the idea.

I'm just going to rest my case here.

[JuFiN]

So, this project has actually been funding for a little over a week and when I first saw it on KS, I didn't really pay it much attention (and I'm not sure many others around here did either because there wasn't a thread already started for this deck) but, now that I have had some more time to look the project over, it's actually raising funds for a pretty unique and noble cause - to spread awareness and promote The Pig Preserve, a pig rescue/sanctuary located in Tennessee where the creator and his family volunteer to help care for the little piggies [BACON]

So, regardless of whether or not the particular design of this deck is for you, please still consider taking a moment of time to look over the project and/or The Pig Preserve's site, which you can find here, to find out more about the sanctuary and what you can do to help the pigs! [BACON]
[BACON]

Can someone point out to me where he says in the campaign that the funds are actually going toward the Pig Preserve? As far as I can tell other than the [BACON] theme and the Ad card mentioning the Preserve this deck doesn't really support the Preserve. In fact quite the opposite, the attachment to the Preserve is supporting the funding of this deck! Please do correct me if I am wrong here.

If you really want to support the Preserve and get some cool pig themed merch in return maybe buy a shirt from their official fund raiser.

I should note before posting this that in multiple updates he offers a free half brick if you add on $75 which will go to the Pig Preserve to sponsor a pig for 3 months. So if you must have this deck maybe pledge for nothing and then add on that $75 sponsorship, that is the only way to pledge that explicitly supports the cause as far as I can find. [BACON]

[akicer]

I was wondering why this thread keep poping up.. because the first time I saw the deck I decided not to waste my money in 2 seconds, and I was thinking most active users here would likely to do the same, so I was expecting the thread dies after couple days...

My two cents:

1. the design is not the worst, but do qualify the words "lazy", especially when comparing to the decks I'd like to buy. If the designer does not agree (which is the case here), please comparing the design to the most funded decks on kickstarter (what's more the campaign is only raising 5000 dollars so even any reference to % funded is kind of funny)

2. I'm glad to see the creator showing up on UC, this will help the design getting better. Everybody has ego, especially the art designers, but ego cannot carry you to success. From the design on this deck, I'm quite bearish on the potential future decks...

3. in these days with $15 I'd like to buy a six strings deck or tavern on the green decks. Set these decks at $10 shipped maybe better.

[Magic Tapp]

2. I'm glad to see the creator showing up on UC, this will help the design getting better..

Not with this attitude, it won’t.

[theCapraAegagrus]

...I was speaking to him calling my deck "lazy", because, having not yourselves made decks, you cannot in any way, shape or form know what goes INTO making them. That's a fact - that you know nothing of the process. That's not blowing up and neither was what I said blowing up - it was stating a fact. That he hasn't made decks so cannot know.

Wrong.

[theCapraAegagrus]

I appreciate creators showing up to UC and engaging with the community. 95% of them contribute to a lot of good dialogue involving the hobby and creative processes. However...

"Every now and then" someone trots along to defend their project in manners that just don't make sense.

This deck is lazy. It's, what? 5% custom? For $15? For a cause that, while admirable, isn't going to bring people in droves to support. Is it even actually supporting the cause?

I know that Jocu has been around here for a time before sharing his upcoming campaign, but just LOOK at how receptive he is to feedback in that thread. Yes, it's easier to be said of a fully-custom deck. He earned that, though, by putting an OBVIOUS amount of time and effort into that design. No one can unwittingly call his deck "lazy".

Creative processes are very, very, transparent around here. A boar's head on a pink slate is NOT very time-consuming. I can draw it, map it, and CAD it in a day. I could design an entire project for a feline version of this deck in a vacation week.

[Outsider]

Such is the case with Outsider. Bradius, I said what I said about his response being insignificant because it is. The second he made a passive aggressive and sly “sausage” jab I was done listening. As I said and will say again, I don’t have time for ignorant nor intentional passive-aggressive failed attempts at bullying. Interestingly, he didn't speak to why he made this jab, only that I replied telling to choke on one. How convenient.

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It's a common use English phrase that I've been using for longer than a lot of people reading this have been alive. Not only did the connection with pigs not occur to me, it's a complete mystery to me why you'd interpret it as bullying even if I had meant it as some kind of sideways reference. I readily admit, however, that it makes me laugh pretty hard that it got your panties in a bunch.

Am I reading this right? You're a psychotherapist here under what I assume is your actual, real name, with personal details about precisely who you are and what profession, and you're publicly telling someone on the internet to choke on dick because they're insignificant.

That doesn't sound so smart to me.

[Räpylätassu]

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Mods, how can you downvote posts?

It's amazing that DM is not the worst playing card designer in the world as the likes of Anyone Worldwide and Fontaine manage to release even worse decks than him... Trawlers was a good effort to rival them for the title though.

For those wondering on why I seem crumpy, it's because I am, Finland just got robbed of winning the WC in Women's Ice Hockey by the worst video review ever. Also there was an a parliment election day here and Finland's own populist, nationalist and pretty much openly racist party got the second most amount of seats in the Parliment.

[CupcakeBaron]

Such is the case with Outsider. Bradius, I said what I said about his response being insignificant because it is. The second he made a passive aggressive and sly “sausage” jab I was done listening. As I said and will say again, I don’t have time for ignorant nor intentional passive-aggressive failed attempts at bullying. Interestingly, he didn't speak to why he made this jab, only that I replied telling to choke on one. How convenient.

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It's a common use English phrase that I've been using for longer than a lot of people reading this have been alive. Not only did the connection with pigs not occur to me, it's a complete mystery to me why you'd interpret it as bullying even if I had meant it as some kind of sideways reference. I readily admit, however, that it makes me laugh pretty hard that it got your panties in a bunch.

Am I reading this right? You're a psychotherapist here under what I assume is your actual, real name, with personal details about precisely who you are and what profession, and you're publicly telling someone on the internet to choke on dick because they're insignificant.

That doesn't sound so smart to me.

Please take your insignificant comments elsewhere sausage guy

[shkorc]

Bill, your DM's psychotherapist?

Sorry if I missunderstood your picture post, just curious.

[Harvonsgard]

Bill, your DM's psychotherapist?

Sorry if I missunderstood your picture post, just curious.

Damn... If so, he would do a terrible job. I mean, I don't wanna be rude and I know curing sociopaths is hard, almost impossible.

Sorry for a off-topic [BACON]

[theCapraAegagrus]

I see TwoPiece is still calling my work lazy and that my defense of it doesn't "make sense". Unfortunately for him, he's one quick to judge without knowing the details. I haven't been trained on using Adobe Illustrator and am figuring it out for myself. Years ago I used Photoshop but when I came back to it, it was like learning a new language and had so many changes. So, aside from me designing my deck EXACTLY HOW I WANT IT TO LOOK whether you happen to like it or not, yes, it took me a very long time to design it. It took me a LOT of hard work. So be judgmental and laugh all you want without knowing the details, I know what I put into this.

Just because you don't know how to use the software DOES NOT mean that you spent "tireless" time designing this simplistic deck. The time spent in-application is insignificant to the time spent ACTUALLY CRAFTING the back design and/or the rest of the deck. Be it drawing, painting, etc.

The design is transparently lazy. There is no constructive criticism for barely-constructive work. I don't embrace excuses - I embrace solutions. You're making excuses for your lack of work put into this design, and excuses for your retorts to fellow members and (previously) potential supporters.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Please take your insignificant comments elsewhere sausage guy

Almost everything Bill says comes off with such muster that it's impossible for me to empathize with him.

"Thanks to my supporters and F U to my detractors." Get over yourself already.

Remember when Joker and the Thief went full-retard? At least they had the compunction to apologize, and attempted to reconcile, for their lack of integrity shared here. Bill, on the other hand, spent a week away only to come back with the same poor outlook that won't earn any ground.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Bill, your DM's psychotherapist?

Sorry if I missunderstood your picture post, just curious.

...The graphic is the symbol for Madison's Alliance, a close network of likeminded individuals who share a vision of creativity and living through artistic expression. It depicts Madison's bird Charlie, wings outstretched and angry, ever-flying forward in the face of adversity despite the arrows flung at him. It was my simple ending statement that I'll do what the F I want and those who appreciate it will get it, while those who don't can piss off and have fun doing so.

Such is the case with those like TooPuss (TwoPiece) and shiroo56. Toopuss hasn't made a single deck of cards, nor done a single thing to help a cause, at least not that he's spoken to, and shiroo judgementally and incorrectly labels those he misunderstands as sociopaths. It's beyond laughable and their opinion, unlike some others on here who objectively constructively criticize, means less than nothing to me.

Peace, and thanks for asking about Charlie. Always glad to share!

Congratulations on getting your first reported post. Name-calling isn't allowed here. It's a civil community.

The first paragraph here explains a lot. It really gives us the perfect idea of why you're acting this way. DM is one of the biggest d-bags in the industry. Not a person I would suggest being influenced by. It's not gonna earn you any badges here.

Another in a long line of psychotherapists that have no idea how to actually do their job. And, in this case, a 2nd job...

Mods, if you wouldn't mind censoring his post and maybe sending a PM about this type of behavior, we would all appreciate it.

Edit: As an alleged therapist, I would think you'd understand the psychology of your white flag ad hominem. It's a last resort for someone who can no longer attack or defend the topic of discussion. Shame on you.

[Harvonsgard]

... shiroo judgementally and incorrectly labels those he misunderstands as sociopaths.

If it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and walks like a duck, then sorry not sorry for calling it a duck. If you have a doctor in clinical psychology and you want to tell me that DM doesn't show typical signs of sociopathic tendences. Oh bwoi...
I'll give you that it may be a little exaggorated, but DM is definetly not sane and has mental issues, that someone should help him to cope with. That is why I made a joke about you being not a good psychiatrist.

Geeez peeps on the interwebs always in defense mode, just chill and have a good time. [BACON]

See ya.

[theCapraAegagrus]

... shiroo judgementally and incorrectly labels those he misunderstands as sociopaths.

If it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and walks like a duck, then sorry not sorry for calling it a duck. If you have a doctor in clinical psychology and you want to tell me that DM doesn't show typical signs of sociopathic tendences. Oh bwoi...
I'll give you that it may be a little exaggorated, but DM is definetly not sane and has mental issues, that someone should help him to cope with. That is why I made a joke about you being not a good psychiatrist.

Geeez peeps on the interwebs always in defense mode, just chill and have a good time. [BACON]

See ya.

Don't take it personally. This guy subscribes to the same psychosis as Madison, obviously.

You'll give and get some good chuckles from the crowds of semi-normal people around here.

That lame duck ain't one of them...

[theCapraAegagrus]

... shiroo judgementally and incorrectly labels those he misunderstands as sociopaths.

If it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and walks like a duck, then sorry not sorry for calling it a duck. If you have a doctor in clinical psychology and you want to tell me that DM doesn't show typical signs of sociopathic tendences. Oh bwoi...
I'll give you that it may be a little exaggorated, but DM is definetly not sane and has mental issues, that someone should help him to cope with. That is why I made a joke about you being not a good psychiatrist.

Geeez peeps on the interwebs always in defense mode, just chill and have a good time. [BACON]

See ya.

What you assume of DM from what you have seen was a PERSONA. Do your homework for F sake before you incorrectly judge.

So the d-bag that steals money from people and doesn't fulfill (empty) promises is different... How..?

Actions speak louder than words. If he walks like a d-bag, talks like a d-bag, and acts like a d-bag, then... Tell me, what's your conclusion?

This isn't just judging a goth kid by the way he dresses. It's a well-established person with a well-established history to judge from.

[Harvonsgard]

... shiroo judgementally and incorrectly labels those he misunderstands as sociopaths.

If it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and walks like a duck, then sorry not sorry for calling it a duck. If you have a doctor in clinical psychology and you want to tell me that DM doesn't show typical signs of sociopathic tendences. Oh bwoi...
I'll give you that it may be a little exaggorated, but DM is definetly not sane and has mental issues, that someone should help him to cope with. That is why I made a joke about you being not a good psychiatrist.

Geeez peeps on the interwebs always in defense mode, just chill and have a good time. [BACON]

See ya.

What you assume of DM from what you have seen was a PERSONA. Do your homework for F sake before you incorrectly judge.

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde [BACON]

[theCapraAegagrus]

...The graphic is the symbol for Madison's Alliance, a close network of likeminded individuals who share a vision of creativity and living through artistic expression. It depicts Madison's bird Charlie, wings outstretched and angry, ever-flying forward in the face of adversity despite the arrows flung at him. It was my simple ending statement that I'll do what the F I want and those who appreciate it will get it, while those who don't can piss off and have fun doing so.

Such is the case with those like TooPuss (TwoPiece) and shiroo56. Toopuss hasn't made a single deck of cards, nor done a single thing to help a cause, at least not that he's spoken to, and shiroo judgementally and incorrectly labels those he misunderstands as sociopaths. It's beyond laughable and their opinion, unlike some others on here who objectively constructively criticize, means less than nothing to me.

Peace, and thanks for asking about Charlie. Always glad to share!

Congratulations on getting your first reported post. Name-calling isn't allowed here. It's a civil community.

The first paragraph here explains a lot. It really gives us the perfect idea of why you're acting this way. DM is one of the biggest d-bags in the industry. Not a person I would suggest being influenced by. It's not gonna earn you any badges here.

Another in a long line of psychotherapists that have no idea how to actually do their job. And, in this case, a 2nd job...

Mods, if you wouldn't mind censoring his post and maybe sending a PM about this type of behavior, we would all appreciate it.

Edit: As an alleged therapist, I would think you'd understand the psychology of your white flag ad hominem. It's a last resort for someone who can no longer attack or defend the topic of discussion. Shame on you.

[BACON]

I can attack and defend my position all day. I would suggest for your own sake, you let it rest. But if you prefer, I will gladly continue to show you for the fool you are. As I have stated, you have no deck and have helped no cause. You accuse me of ad hominem (guilty) but for the purpose of quitting (not guilty) while you project this onto me by calling me a bad therapist. More judgmental nonsense that the mods see right through, despite your attempt to deflect by calling upon them to save you. I am valued as one of the best therapists in our agency, I help countless individuals daily who would gladly speak for me if confidentiality wasn't an issue, as would all of colleagues. I left earlier merely because you are a waste of my time.
Yet you took advantage of it by trying to use that against me. I honestly suggest for your own good and appearance here, we end this. Even the mods can see through you. Otherwise, if you'd prefer, I'll continue to hand you your ass publicly. Choose wisely.

Don't talk to/about yourself like that.

Continue making yourself look like a salty ass all day. Your defense of, "you haven't personally designed a deck (yet)" has been publicly flagged as a non-starter for an honest discussion. You have yet to "defend" the laziness of your design. Just excuses upon excuses and then finally the ad hominem because you realize that you, in fact, cannot defend your objective laziness.

The mods aren't here 24/7. Be assured that they will censor your stupidity and you will likely receive a PM about your childish behavior.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Don't talk to/about yourself like that.

Just the answer I'd expect. Thought so. Now off with you. Bye bye! : )

You can leave at any time and I guarantee that no one will miss you.

I've been here for years, and my posts in this thread positively contribute to my reputation, unlike yours and your own.

[Harvonsgard]

I've been here for years, and my posts in this thread positively contribute to my reputation, unlike yours and your own.

TwoPiece, you should contribute and pledge for this wonderful crafted deck!

... oh wait. Sorry, wrong thread. I thought this is the thread about the Parlour Playing Cards from TGW!

[theCapraAegagrus]

I've been here for years, and my posts in this thread positively contribute to my reputation, unlike yours and your own.

TwoPiece, you should contribute and pledge for this wonderful crafted deck!

... oh wait. Sorry, wrong thread. I thought this is the thread about the Parlour Playing Cards from TGW!

Now Tayne I can get into.

[CupcakeBaron]

As much as I love a tiff these arguments with Bill Davis are becoming a bit tedious. Obviously he's going to fight tooth and nail to defend his insignificant deck and that's his right(just like it's our right to call it lazy). I suggest we all move on and focus our energy on other more worthwhile projects.

[theCapraAegagrus]

Don't talk to/about yourself like that.

Just the answer I'd expect. Thought so. Now off with you. Bye bye! : )

You can leave at any time and I guarantee that no one will miss you.

I've been here for years, and my posts in this thread positively contribute to my reputation, unlike yours and your own.

Actually I've spoken with several behind the scenes about you since day one and it's a consensus you're a tool. We actually thought you had gone, as Outsider reared his ugly head (but has since had enough sense to stay away) - you, not so much sense.

You may want to Google the word "consensus". It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Also, your childish, "unnamed people agree with me" statement isn't going to work.

How do you delude yourself into thinking these things? I've never gone anywhere. I historically don't log in on the weekends, so... You obviously aren't paying any attention.

Self-contradiction and hypocrisy have defeated you.

[theCapraAegagrus]

As much as I love a tiff these arguments with Bill Davis are becoming a bit tedious. Obviously he's going to fight tooth and nail to defend his insignificant deck and that's his right(just like it's our right to call it lazy). I suggest we all move on and focus our energy on other more worthwhile projects.

You're right.

Let's let this lazy, insignificant deck and its thread, die.

There are quite a few nice ones worth collecting upcoming.

[akicer]

The graphic is the symbol for Madison's Alliance, a close network of likeminded individuals who share a vision of creativity and living through artistic expression. It depicts Madison's bird Charlie, wings outstretched and angry, ever-flying forward in the face of adversity despite the arrows flung at him.

I think the conversation should have stopped when we saw this.

Bill and DM are likeminded individuals, what are you guys expecting??

Do we waste time on DM? NO!

Same applies here