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A new custom 100% handcrafted deck based on Indian legend and warrior king - Shivaji.
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~ US$ 140 per deck with a limit to 1 per customer


Who is Shivaji?



-- Shivaji was an Indian warrior king and a member of the Bhonsle Maratha clan.

-- He is considered as a national hero in India. Further, he is also recognized as a warrior legend, who sowed the seeds of Indian independence.

-- Shivaji was admired for his heroic exploits and clever stratagems in the contemporary accounts of English, French, Dutch, Portuguese and Italian writers. Contemporary Englishmen compared him with Alexander, Hannibal and Julius Caesar.

-- Over the course of his life, Shivaji engaged in both alliances and hostilities with the Mughal Empire, Sultanate of Golkonda, and Sultanate of Bijapur, as well as the English, Portuguese, and French colonial powers.

-- He defeated Afzal Khan in a one-on-one battle. Afzal Khan was a veteran general and superior to Shivaji in size & strength.



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Deck specs & other details:


1. Handcrafted from the ground up - preparation of the paper to the handpainted wooden box. Every deck is unique making it one of its kind and a real collector's crave.



2. 100 % illustrated and painted (by hand) 54 cards (takes months to make one deck) - Layer of lacquer is applied on the cards by hand making them virtually waterproof. The process used is centuries old and on the verge of extinction.



3. Comes in a very beautiful, sturdy & handpainted wooden box



4. A true collector's crave and a treasure - every deck is unique because of the handcrafted nature of work



5. This deck's concept was made under the guidance of Late Her Highness Rajmata Satwashiladevi Bhosle of Sawantwadi.



6. Deck will be shipped directly from Sawantwadi Palace


7. Buyer's name will be handpainted on the box and any other customization requests can be accommodated as well.


8. It doesn't have foils and other bling, you can't perform cardistry using this deck but you will build a legacy by having this deck as part of your collection for sure. West has never been able to see such a kind of handcrafted decks. Only serious collectors will understand its value.


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Production process: These guys still use a 300 year old process to make these cards. It is not just a simple handpainting on paper..


Sheets of cotton paper blend are coated with tamarind paste (seed powder and oil), cooked with mud and Arabic gum. Few layers of the paper are grouped to form the thick layers and dried, further rubbed with the stone for a smooth finish. Main sketch is painted in the card with minute details of eyes, nose, hair etc. while painting of floral borders and motifs is done around the edges of each card & back. It is further dried under direct sunlight for a few hours. Artisans in Odisha use cloth instead of paper and it takes a few days to dry before they prepare for applying lacquer.


Sawantwadi (Maharashtra state) is renowned for lacquerware, popularly known as Sawantwadi Lacquer Craft. In essence, lacquer is a natural plastic; it is remarkably resistant to water, acid, and, to a certain extent, heat. Maharashtra is one of the leading producers of lac. Lac is the scarlet resinous secretion of Kerria lacca, also known as lac beetle. Kerria lacca is cultivated on dhak and kusum trees. Raw lacquer is collected by extracting the viscous sap through notches cut into the trees. It is gently heated to remove excess moisture and impurities. Purified lacquer is applied to the surface of the cards. Once coated with a thin layer of lacquer, the cards are left to dry. High-quality lacquer may require thirty or more coats, which makes the production time-consuming.

A similar process is used on wood boxes.
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Sorry not at that price point.
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jerichoholic wrote:Sorry not at that price point.
As Sunish so well puts it:
guru wrote:Only serious collectors will understand its value.
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I'd love to buy this palace which is for sale but not at this price point. If they drop the price to $1000, I'll get it.

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Lotrek wrote:I'd love to buy this palace which is for sale but not at this price point. If they drop the price to $1000, I'll get it.

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I don't think 140 USD for such an item is a bad price by any means. I think that I'll get one, once I'll find a job that is.
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Even if they gave it to me for free I couldn't afford it. Heck, even if they paid me $5M to take it off their hands, I couldn't afford to maintain it very long, much less pay the taxes on it. Sigh.

I do think you will need to raise the price of your decks to like $500k each, then maybe. I can see a Big "L" in the front lawn made of hedges. Maybe a helicopter pad too. Yeah, I can see it.

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This deck looks amazing, and the price looks appropriate. I won't be able to pick one up at this time, but really, these totally look worth it, and if I didn't have some job insecurities right now, I'd be all over this.
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sms69x wrote:
jerichoholic wrote:Sorry not at that price point.
As Sunish so well puts it:
guru wrote:Only serious collectors will understand its value.
Spot-on.
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The aesthetic doesn't grab me, but if I really liked it the price point isn't so high I'd talk myself out of it. Embarrassing as it is to admit it's not even the most I've paid for a single deck.

I can understand being unwilling or unable to spend that much money at once, but this is a hand-painted deck, in a hand-painted box, being shipped from India. We're talking about, what, a hundred-plus hours of skilled labor? The sticker price is not unreasonable for that. Sunish has an ethical obligation to make sure the artisans he works with are being paid fairly.
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Merlebird wrote:The aesthetic doesn't grab me, but if I really liked it the price point isn't so high I'd talk myself out of it. Embarrassing as it is to admit it's not even the most I've paid for a single deck.

I can understand being unwilling or unable to spend that much money at once, but this is a hand-painted deck, in a hand-painted box, being shipped from India. We're talking about, what, a hundred-plus hours of skilled labor? The sticker price is not unreasonable for that. Sunish has an ethical obligation to make sure the artisans he works with are being paid fairly.
Just to add...these guys still use a 300 year old process to make these cards. It is not just a simple handpainting on paper..


Sheets of cotton paper blend are coated with tamarind paste (seed powder and oil), cooked with mud and Arabic gum. Few layers of the paper are grouped to form the thick layers and dried, further rubbed with the stone for a smooth finish. Main sketch is painted in the card with minute details of eyes, nose, hair etc. while painting of floral borders and motifs is done around the edges of each card & back. It is further dried under direct sunlight for a few hours. Artisans in Odisha use cloth instead of paper and it takes a few days to dry before they prepare for applying lacquer.


Sawantwadi (Maharashtra state) is renowned for lacquerware, popularly known as Sawantwadi Lacquer Craft. In essence, lacquer is a natural plastic; it is remarkably resistant to water, acid, and, to a certain extent, heat. Maharashtra is one of the leading producers of lac. Lac is the scarlet resinous secretion of Kerria lacca, also known as lac beetle. Kerria lacca is cultivated on dhak and kusum trees. Raw lacquer is collected by extracting the viscous sap through notches cut into the trees. It is gently heated to remove excess moisture and impurities. Purified lacquer is applied to the surface of the cards. Once coated with a thin layer of lacquer, the cards are left to dry. High-quality lacquer may require thirty or more coats, which makes the production time-consuming.

A similar process is used on wood boxes.

Most of the artists in Sawantwadi are farmers. Lac cultivation, as well as cards design n creation, is done by them, isn't that simply awesome?

Sometimes I feel the asking price is too low for the work that is done on each deck. I see "handcrafted" as a term used by most designers here for their machine produced playing card decks, if they have to do such a process on their own decks, I am sure the asking price will be US $2500-3000 + or even more.
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Thanks Sunish for the in-depth overview of obviously an incredibly tedious and labor-intensive process that goes into every one of these deck - quite fascinating and truly one of a kind :)

so basically in other words (and to reiterate once again):
guru wrote:Only serious collectors will understand its value.
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Yeah @PipChick, I got the following comment on discord, and so, had to explicitly differentiate "most people" from "serious collectors".

@gurupcc not uspcc, cartamundi, hcpcc, twpcc, epcc, lpcc (im prob missing some). most people wont buy.
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guru wrote:Yeah @PipChick, I got the following comment on discord, and so, had to explicitly differentiate "most people" from "serious collectors".

@gurupcc not uspcc, cartamundi, hcpcc, twpcc, epcc, lpcc (im prob missing some). most people wont buy.
Yea, I abandoned pretty much all hope for deep, meaningful conversation on discord a long time ago and my expectations for such are incredible low but this comment about the Shivaji deck has me totally baffled:
Yeah what he was saying is if it's not from a big playing card company like that not many, if any, people from here will buy it. People will pay $500 for a deck of Jerry's Nuggets because they're iconic in magic and cardistry and for the brand. People won't care about your cards because they're hand crafted when they could instead buy 2 complete sets of virts for the same price as one of your decks
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As if they actually can't understand how using ANY of those printers (despite not even being capable to replicate the production process anyways) completely defeats the whole point of creating a deck like this and obviously, they're not able to differentiate the subtleties between price, cost and value... :roll: It never ceases to amaze me how dense people seem in the comments they make... :roll: and I don't think it's physically possible for my eyes to roll any further back into my skull than they are at the moment of reading that comment lol :lol:
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@gurupcc not uspcc, cartamundi, hcpcc, twpcc, epcc, lpcc (im prob missing some). most people wont buy.
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Thank you for your feedback. I do think you have a point that most people prefer to purchase cards from the printers you mentioned. In fact, I have used several of these printers and others in the past.

However, given that each of these cards are individually hand-crafted, those printers you listed will not agree to produce them in the methods required of this deck. Honestly, this deck is not for people that are only interested in mass-printed playing cards. It is for people that would like something crafted by skilled artisans in a traditional method used in an era that has nearly ended. It is also for that reason that I promote this project, so we can keep alive this nearly lost art for future generations.

Again, thank you for your feedback. It is truly appreciated.
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Never said it wasn't worth the money just not in my price range is all, if I had the money I would probably get it, but i'm not made of money and there's so many decks coming out every month, have to be reasonable.
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I'm absolutely fascinated but am on the fence for getting these since I noticed there really aren't any pictures on the website to see any of the detailing.
Would you be able to share more detailed photos of the faces, or at the very least the back design?
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I wasn't trying to slam anyone here. I didn't know anyone here sent the message. However, this is by its nature a costly type of deck. I doubt Sunish wants it to be anything other than that. I don't expect to get one myself as I already have a hand crafted deck from them, which is spectacular. Heck, I was seriously outbid for several nice limited decks on ebay the other day. I wish I had unlimited money too. You are by no means alone. It is a limiting factor for everyone at some point, or storage. :lol:
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guru wrote:Only serious(ly wealthy) collectors will understand its value.
There you go. I'd be in for one too if I was one of the above, this looks quite interesting.
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guru wrote:Sawantwadi (Maharashtra state) is renowned for lacquerware, popularly known as Sawantwadi Lacquer Craft. In essence, lacquer is a natural plastic; it is remarkably resistant to water, acid, and, to a certain extent, heat. Maharashtra is one of the leading producers of lac. Lac is the scarlet resinous secretion of Kerria lacca, also known as lac beetle. Kerria lacca is cultivated on dhak and kusum trees. Raw lacquer is collected by extracting the viscous sap through notches cut into the trees. It is gently heated to remove excess moisture and impurities. Purified lacquer is applied to the surface of the cards. Once coated with a thin layer of lacquer, the cards are left to dry. High-quality lacquer may require thirty or more coats, which makes the production time-consuming.
I didn't quite get this part - "wait, the beetles secrete it but the farmers harvest it by cutting the tree?" - so I looked it up. Being familiar with how carmine is produced by crushing cochineal insects, I thought maybe Sunish meant the farmers cut into colonies of beetles living under the bark. But it turns out the beetles' lac is analogous to sebum, the oily residue that clogs pores and clumps decks: it's a natural form of waterproofing that just tends to accumulate on everything it touches. (The difference is that the lac beetle is doing something useful while all your greasy-ass self is doing is gunking up the clean bedsheets.) Heck, the harvesting of lac doesn't require hurting the beetles at all; in fact, like cochineal insects, lac beetles' crushed bodies produce a strong dye, and a farmer who wants a clear, translucent lacquer has a strong motivation to make sure he doesn't harm them during the harvest. It's pretty neat!

Since you said the artisans are using traditional techniques, though, Sunish, I was curious: does that extend to the paints used as well? A year or so ago I read a very interesting book on traditional pigments (Color: A Natural History of the Palette, by Victoria Finlay), from which I mostly took away that, before synthetic dyes, everything that was a pretty color would rather quickly either a) turn a completely different color, b) poison you, c) get you brutally colonized by the British or d) all of the above. There's a strong argument for using traditional pigments where possible - the appeal of this deck is in its traditional craftsmanship, and this craft, too, is on the verge of being lost - but at the same time you have to consider the health of your contractors and the longevity of your product. I would be interested to know how you balanced these concerns.
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IAmTheChin wrote:I'm absolutely fascinated but am on the fence for getting these since I noticed there really aren't any pictures on the website to see any of the detailing.
Would you be able to share more detailed photos of the faces, or at the very least the back design?
Hey Alex- Sure. Will put more detailed photos of the front. Back design is completely plain red as these decks used to have 300 years ago.
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Merlebird wrote:There's a strong argument for using traditional pigments where possible - the appeal of this deck is in its traditional craftsmanship, and this craft, too, is on the verge of being lost - but at the same time you have to consider the health of your contractors and the longevity of your product. I would be interested to know how you balanced these concerns.
You're right Merlebird. I'd expressed this concern about traditional pigments and dyes too. Artisans in Sawantwadi use water colors and fabric colors for painting. I'd shared a work in progress pic last year with KS backers, and here you go again. Lacquer process applied afterward makes the colors glow more and virtually waterproof.

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That said, I work with another artist from Odisha who does Ganjifa paintings & cards using completely traditional methods and craft which includes using traditional pigments & colors. This guy is in his 70s & only want to do it the traditional way as per the knowledge passed in his family from generation to generation. I took up the matter with him twice and he didn't budge so I stopped talking about it.

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Lotrek wrote:I'd love to buy this palace which is for sale but not at this price point. If they drop the price to $1000, I'll get it.

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I want to do the "same" thing and I will sell a deck for $999 :D :D
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guru wrote:That said, I work with another artist from Odisha who does Ganjifa paintings & cards using completely traditional methods and craft which includes using traditional pigments & colors. This guy is in his 70s & only want to do it the traditional way as per the knowledge passed in his family from generation to generation. I took up the matter with him twice and he didn't budge so I stopped talking about it.
Bless you for making the effort - you're a real stand-up guy - but yeah, I'm not surprised you weren't successful. Artists are a recalcitrant bunch to begin with, and once somebody gets to that age you can't tell 'em anything. That it's not just cultural heritage but his own family's legacy makes it a particularly sensitive issue; choosing to do things a different way could feel, to him, like betraying the people who raised him. But if he's worked with these pigments all his life and he's made it into his seventies I imagine it can't do him any more harm to keep using them the same way he always has.

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Merlebird wrote: What is that fantastic chimera, by the way? I see the foreleg of an elephant, the hind leg of a leopard, a snake for a tail... a horse and maybe a lion(?) and a rooster(??) mixed in there as well? I'm not even sure what animal the abdomen's from. Is that a creature from Indian mythology or the artist's own invention?
Yes, it is Navagunjara from Indian mythology better known in the region of this artist.

Head – Cock

Neck – Peacock

Hump – Bull

Body – Lion

Legs – Elephant, Tiger, Human Hand and Deer

Tail – Snake
Looking at the etymology, it means 9 qualities.

Navagunjara:

Nava = 9 , Gun = Quality , Jara = Old / Praise

Cock – awaken others around. Could signify leadership quality too.

Peacock – pride/beauty

Hump of a Bull – purity/devotion

Body of a Lion-majesty

Legs: elephant-stable, tiger-speed, deer-gentle/grace

Human hand with lotus – spiritual quest

Snake as tail. Tail shows balance and snake is also a symbol for the kundalini/energies. Could mean balanced energies.
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I just bought one of these... I'll let you guys know my thoughts on them as soon as I receive one, which apperantly takes a few months. Really looking foward to this, truly something unique for my collection.

I'm going to sauna now to relax after the stress of paying over 200 € for my deck with the shipping.
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Re: Shivaji - 100% Handcrafted deck

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Räpylätassu wrote:I just bought one of these... I'll let you guys know my thoughts on them as soon as I receive one, which apperantly takes a few months. Really looking foward to this, truly something unique for my collection.

I'm going to sauna now to relax after the stress of paying over 200 € for my deck with the shipping.
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, POST PICS!!!

lol, seriously though, this deck looks awesome and it's pretty amazing to think it's being handmade especially for you! I'm broke af, but hope to order one for myself one day but until then, I can't wait to see yours when you get it so I can live vicariously through the pics lol :ugthink: :mrgreen:
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Re: Shivaji - 100% Handcrafted deck

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Räpylätassu wrote:I just bought one of these... I'll let you guys know my thoughts on them as soon as I receive one, which apperantly takes a few months. Really looking foward to this, truly something unique for my collection.

I'm going to sauna now to relax after the stress of paying over 200 € for my deck with the shipping.

Thanks @Räpylätassu. Will make sure the deck is there with you sooner than expected.

This deck was conceptualized by Royal matriarch of Bhonsle Maratha clan & features one of their bravest, most progressive and sensible ruler of India, Chhatrapati Shivaji. I've checked some of the publications released by International Playing Card Society (IPCS) on handmade cards (Ganjifa etc.) recently & this decks never featured in their list though it has an exhaustive list of all such decks (with names) made from 19th-20th century onwards.

I am glad that you will own this deck which is not present in the collections of some esteemed playing card collectors.
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Hah! Sunish had just received one of these two days prior, I'll be getting this one soon, shipping on monday.
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I received my deck yesterday, truly a gorgeous piece.

I will try to post pics tomorrow, well today rather, it's already past midnight.
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